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Now that we've learned
about the concepts
of informed consent and
decision making capacity
let me walk you through a case study
looking at decision making capacity.
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Let me introduce
you to our patient.
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This is Ms. Beth Smith.
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She's 38 years old.
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She has a history of intellectual
developmental disability.
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She works as a dishwasher in a fast
food restaurant, she lives with her parents.
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She did attend vocational school and
achieved a sixth grade reading level.
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She's coming in for an acute
visit with a two week history
of intermittent right upper
quadrant abdominal pain.
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And she was getting this
after eating fatty foods.
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She describes the pain as a dull ache it
sometimes radiates to a right shoulder.
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There has been some
associated nausea and vomiting.
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The pain and nausea seem to
resolve after about 30 to 60 minutes.
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She has not had other GI
complaints like diarrhea or constipation,
and she's had no fever.
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Notable that she does have a history
of type two diabetes and obesity.
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She takes Metformin
for the diabetes.
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Her family history is notable for her
mother having had a colon cystectomy
and her father has
hypertension and hyperlipidemia.
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Her review of systems is
otherwise unremarkable.
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So you asked her
permission to examine her.
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And you find that she's
in no acute distress.
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She's accompanied by her mother.
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Her vital signs are good.
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She is a febrile, she has a BMI of
31 putting her in the obesity category.
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Her abdominal exam
is unremarkable.
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She has positive bowel sounds, it's
soft, non tender, and no Murphy sign.
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You suggest that she gets some labs, so
get her permission to get the phlebotomy,
find that she has a normal,
complete blood count
or kidney and liver function
tests, her good or lipases normal.
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You also get her permission do
a right upper quadrant ultrasound
that's a little more
involved in a blood draw
some discomfort associated
with the ultrasound probe,
but otherwise a
relatively benign test.
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She agrees to that.
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It does show gallstones but
there's no ductal dilatation.
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So let's just pause
there for a minute.
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What do you think the diagnosis is
and after you've made a diagnosis,
what would be your recommended
treatment for Ms. Smith?
All right, so this is very likely
symptomatic cholelithiasis,
the ultrasound showed
that she has the gall stones.
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The pattern of eating fatty foods
and getting the abdominal pain
and nausea would
go along with that.
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The general recommended treatment would
be elective laparoscopic cholecystectomy,
there is the option of an
open colas, mastectomy.
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Could also observe this and
see how she does over time.
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But really you're feeling you know
she's having these repeated episodes,
you want to try to resolve
these symptoms a biliary colic
decrease her chances of having
any future complications, like,
actually getting cholecystitis
or calling giantess,
or maybe even
gallstone pancreatitis.
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So you want to describe to her that
we can help relieve your symptoms,
get you feeling better, try to
avoid these attacks from happening.
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If we do go with surgery, there's potential
for damage to surrounding structures.
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It's always a risk of bleeding or
infection or pain when you have surgery.
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But, you know, you think this is a
recommended thing for the patient.
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She'd have to anticipate what would
happen after surgery, it's usually you know,
same day, she can
go home the same day,
she'd have to take it
easy for a couple of weeks,
she might need pain medication,
longer term, you know, she
might get diarrhea or gas or bloating
as a result of not
having your gallbladder.
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But this is what you would
recommend and have to discuss
all of this with her in
understandable terms.
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So she is an adult, so you would
presume that she has capacity as an adult.
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But you know, from her history,
that she has some vulnerabilities,
so she has this intellectual
developmental disability,
maybe her cognitive
function might be not sufficient
to actually have an
informed consent discussion
and have her make
the decision on her own.
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She does demonstrate
some independence.
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She's working on
a job on her own,
but also some dependents that
she's living at home with their parents.
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So this is really an opportunity after you've
gone through the informed consent process
to specifically assess her
decision making capacity.
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So you're going to go through
the informed consent process,
you're going to use
understandable language,
try to gear it towards
her educational level,
might be helpful
to use visual aids,
so actually drawing a picture of the
anatomy of where the gallbladder is,
describing how the surgery
would remove the gallbladder.
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All that would be helpful to
try to aid in her understanding
so that you can then
assess her capacity.
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So what we're
going to do is watch
the conversation between
the physician and Ms. Smith.
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And as you watch this, I
want you to keep in mind,
the mnemonic that we talked to about
in terms of decision making capacity,
the C-U-R-V, those are
the four criteria for capacity
in the larger
mnemonic of curves.
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So if you recall, the C is
communicating a choice,
U is understanding, R is reasoning
or reasons and these values
so, as you watch this,
just see how she does
in terms of covering
these four criteria.
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First, we'll see how the physician
assesses her appreciation
of the situation and how
she applies her values
to the treatment recommendation
for the laparoscopic cholecystectomy.
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What do you believe
is wrong with you?
I have stones that make
me have pain when I eat,
Do you believe you
need treatment?
Doctor says I need
surgery to take the stones out.
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What do you think the
treatment will do for you?
If I have surgery, then
I won't get the pain.
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What do you believe will
happen if you are not treated?
I could still get the pain but maybe not as
often if I do not eat so many French fries.
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Why do you think this
treatment is recommended?
Doctor does not
want me to get sicker.
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How does this recommendation
fit with your values?
I want to still be able to go
to work and see my friends
and I don't want
my mom to worry.
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Alright, so how did she do?
So this is where we're going to summarize
the conversation between the two of them,
the questions that were asked her answers
and see, did she appreciate the situation,
and was there some
mention of what her values are.
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So she first of all, you know, recognize
her diagnosis that she has stones.
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Not saying that
it's gall stones,
but you know, she has an idea that
there's a problem in her abdomen,
that she needs surgery, so she understands
that there's a treatment recommendation.
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She understands the consequence of
the natural history of having gall stones,
that you know, she
could get this pain again,
if they're not taken out or
gallbladder is not taken out.
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And also that she could
get sicker, you know,
if she has a future
gallstone attack.
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And there is some
mention of her values.
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So she's saying she wants
to be able to go to work,
she wants to visit
with her friends.
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And she's also concerned about her mother and
you know, her mother's concerned about her.
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So all of these sort of
speak to her values of.
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She feels like she wants
to do something about this.
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So we're starting with a
pretty good understanding of
she appreciates the situation
she's applying some of her values.
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The next step in the process
for the physician is going to be
checking her understanding of
the actual recommended treatment.
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So in that conversation, the questions that
were asked and the answers that she gave,
we saw that she was able to describe
what the indications for the surgery were
that you know, there
to take the stones out,
that the benefits are that
she's not going to get the pain.
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And that you know, this is a way to
try to prevent her from getting sicker.
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Alright, so there's going
to be more details we need
to learn about the
laparoscopic cholecystectomy,
the risks involved, you
know the alternatives to that.
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So let's see how the physician
asked about those things.
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What treatment is recommended?
They put a tube with a camera in
my belly to cut out a sack near my liver.
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Are there any other options
for treating gall stones?
They could do a surgery
that cuts my belly open,
but then I would
have a bigger scar.
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Any other options?
I could not eat so
many fried foods,
but I would still have the stones inside my
body and they might cause blockage someday.
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What do you mean by blockage?
The stone could prevent
the liquid in my liver
from draining into my guts
and then I could get real sick.
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What could happen
if you got very sick?
I might need to be in the
hospital and maybe I could die.
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Alright, so let's see what her understanding
of the recommended treatment was.
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So she first of all says that she's going to
need to have the sack cut out near her liver.
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Pretty decent description
of what a gallbladder is.
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So she understands what
the recommended treatment is.
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She understands that it involves
an incision into her abdomen.
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The alternative would be well
if you restrict your fatty foods,
maybe you won't get
these gallbladder attacks.
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So she understands something
about the alternative treatments.
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If it's the surgery,
or you know,
more involved surgery like
an open cholecystectomy,
she understands that there could be
a bigger scar, she might get very sick,
you know if there were complications
from a gallstone blockage in her bile duct
and that she might need
to stay in the hospital longer.
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So she's sort of
appreciating additional risk
associated with either the
alternatives or complications.
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Now let's see how the
doctor asked her about
the particular risks of
the laparoscopic surgery.
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So she's talked
about the alternatives.
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Where in this conversation, did they
address the laparoscopic surgery?
What are the risks of the surgery
that is recommended?
They might accidentally
cut me on the inside.
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What would happen then?
They might need to
do a bigger surgery
and I might need to stay in
the hospital to get antibiotics.
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Any other risks?
Well, it could be painful,
especially after the surgery.
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What could you
do about the pain?
During the surgery, the doctor will
put me to sleep so I don't feel the pain.
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After the surgery, my mom
could give me pain medicine.
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Are there any
risks to the surgery?
I could die but the doctor says
there is a very small chance of that.
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So what could happen with laparoscopy, while
they might accidentally cut me on the inside.
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So she's understanding the
risk of the proposed surgery.
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It might lead to a bigger surgery, and she
might need to stay in the hospital longer.
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There might be infection,
she might need antibiotics.
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So she's sort of understanding
a few of these additional risks,
as well as that surgery
could be painful.
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And you know, also that there's
the possibility she could die.
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She says, you know, very small chance of
then that's what we're all going to hope for.
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But she at least mentions
that that is a possibility.
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So she's got a good understanding
of the risk of the proposed surgery.
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Next, the doctors wanted to find out her
understanding of the nature of the treatment,
you know, what she's gonna
go through what it requires,
and also whether there are
any potential longer term risks
having this
laparoscopic surgery.
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What happens after
you have the surgery?
Doctor says I can go home the
same day and sleep in my own bed.
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Maybe I would have
to stay in the hospital.
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But my mom or dad
could stay with me.
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Are there any instructions for what
you should do after the surgery?
I should not go to
work for at least a week.
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And I would have to take
it easy until I'm all better.
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Anything you need to look
out for after you recover?
Well, the doctor says
I should let them know
if I get a fever or my
belly starts hurting again.
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Are there any long term
side effects from the surgery?
I could maybe get
gas or diarrhea.
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So I will have to
watch what I eat.
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And how did she do with this?
So in checking her understanding
of the recommended treatment,
she says well, I can go home the
same day, sort of same day surgery,
she knows that she's not going to
be able to work for a period of time,
she's going to
have to take it easy.
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So he understands the nature
of the proposed treatment.
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And also that after surgery is
going to have to watch what she eats.
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She describes some
of the longer term risks
that she's going to have to watch
out for that she doesn't get a fever
or have any kind of
recurrent abdominal pain
that might suggest a
complication from the surgery,
and that there may be longer
term risk of gas or diarrhea.
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So again, she's got a
good understanding of
the longer term risks of
the proposed treatment.
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The other thing that the doctor is going
to need to assess is her reasoning ability.
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Let's see how that
conversation unfolds.
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So what do you think
about the surgery?
Well, it sounds kind of scary,
because I've never had surgery before.
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But I think I should do it.
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Why do you think you
should have the surgery?
I don't want to keep
getting sick every time I eat.
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And the doctor says that taking the
stones out will make the pain go away.
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What do you think about
the laparoscopic surgery,
the operation that uses
the tube with the camera?
It sounds like that is a better surgery
than making a big cut in my belly
because with the tube, I would have
smaller cuts and they could heal quicker.
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And maybe I wouldn't have as
much pain or need to be in the hospital.
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So what is your decision
about the surgery?
I agree to have the surgery
if my mom and dad agree.
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Okay, so let's check
her reasoning ability.
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She is scared. I
think that's natural.
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Woman that's never
had surgery before.
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She's describing
that it's scary.
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You need to provide her support to
help her through this fearful experience.
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But hopefully get her
through to the other side.
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She says you know, I don't
want to get sick every time I eat.
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So she's sort of understanding that
this is the indication for the surgery,
the stones are going to be
a way to try to prevent that.
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So that's a good sense of
reasoning through the options here.
14:29
And she understands that the laparoscopic
surgery maybe involves smaller incisions,
wouldn't have as much pain she
wouldn't need to be in the hospital.
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So she's taking in
some of the information
she learned about the
particulars of the surgery
and reasoning through
those to come to a decision.
14:48
And in that
conversation, we saw that,
you know there were questions about
whether she was communicating her choice
and what did she do you want to do with
regard to the physician's recommendation?
And there it is. So what do you want to
do, what do you think about the surgery?
I think I should do
it is what she says.
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And lastly, you know,
what is your decision?
I agree to have the surgery.
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So she's clearly
communicated a choice.
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Now, it's interesting
to point out that
she does add if my
mom and dad agree,
you know, so that raises the
question of, is this a voluntary decision?
In my mind, I would say yes,
you know, she's demonstrated the ability
to work through all of the information,
reason about it, clearly
demonstrate understanding
of it, and communicate
her own choice.
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I think it's perfectly reasonable
for a person to rely on loved ones
for additional support
and to get their input.
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So it's sort of just assisting
her as the decision maker.
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And if her parents agree,
then she can go ahead
and proceed with the surgery
that's recommended by the doctor.
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So I hope this case, example has been helpful
for you as thinking about these concepts
of both informed consent and
assessment of decision making capacity,
and you'll be able to use these
in the future with your patients.